You're Wrong About Hydrogen Cars

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Hydrogen cars have gotten a lot of hate lately, and only some of that is deserved.

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0:00 – Intro
0:31 – AMD
0:43 – LTT Intro
0:51 – Hyrdogen Combustion Engines
1:30 – Fuel Cell Electric
2:50 – Hyrdogen Storage
3:26 – Hyrdogen Fueling
4:20 – But the Hindenburg??
5:09 – Why Hydrogen will never be as efficent as Battery Electric
6:36 – Battery Electric can’t charge fast enough
8:14 – Enviromentalist’s Pitch for Hydrogen Cars
9:35 – Oil Baron’s Pitch for Hydrogen Cars
10:45 – Is the Mirai Any Good?
12:20 – Toyota plz make a fun hydrogen car
13:22 – Freshbooks
13:56 – Outro

50 Comments

  1. 09goral on January 13, 2022 at 11:52 pm

    I guess you forgot that majority of electricity for powering e-cars is also from fossil fuels 🙃

  2. Reina Perez on January 13, 2022 at 11:54 pm

    How do you have an in n out in canada?????

  3. Erick Schuster de Oliveira on January 13, 2022 at 11:55 pm

    WHAT?? Elon Musk spewing out baseless bullshit to prop up his business? Why I’d never have imagined it!

  4. MS J on January 13, 2022 at 11:56 pm

    Pipeline to the Sun
    Constant supplies hydrogen

  5. Jim Ginge on January 13, 2022 at 11:56 pm

    0-60 in 9 seconds?. Good luck trying that on any British roads.

  6. Ar Nulis on January 13, 2022 at 11:57 pm

    wow this video… He kept talking omg 16 dollars per kg, but never said how much car consumes.

    For EU people Hydrogen right now is about 10 eur/liter. car consumes about 6l/100km. so 6 Euros for 100 km. For diesel car 6l/100 km consumption which is average today price would be 8 Euros. So it’s cheaper than diesel car already.

  7. Antonio Pimentel on January 13, 2022 at 11:58 pm

    While this video is very well made some of the points are really disingenuous and it omits several important points making the video seem to much Elon simping.

    First of all the point about Hydrogen production is harmfull to environment is omitting the fact that there are 3 types of it being produced. Grey Hydrogen which relies solely on fossil fuels. Blue Hydrogen which is mixed renewable (this is is the one most currently used) and green hydrogen which is 100% environment friendly.

    Second point ignored. Green Hydrogen prices have reduced drastically over the last 5/10 years and at the rate they are falling it is expected for them to be almost as cost efficient as grey hydrogen.

    Third, green hydrogen large scale plants are being built as of now including a major central in Portugal.

    Fourth, saying Hydrogen is more harmful to environment than EV is plainly wrong. Lithium batteries and its production presents a far greater risk to the environment than Hydrogen ever will.

    Fifth, Lithium is not a renewable energy source and this one I’m sorry is just unavoidable, even if we start using other materials for battery production it won’t ever be as efficient as Lithium and therefore will never a valid solution, Hydrogen on the other hand uses far less quantities of lithium and have their small batteries last for much longer periods of time since they hold charge for way less time.

    Lastly, Lithium will never be fully recyclable it is fully accepted in the Chemical Engineering world that that is impossible and therefore we are damaging our environment in the long run massively by buying Tesla’s instead of Mirai’s

  8. The sexy gaming channel on January 13, 2022 at 11:58 pm

    can you drink the water that pees out?

  9. ShihammeDarc on January 13, 2022 at 11:59 pm

    Maybe hydrogen will be the long range option and battery will be the cheap option

  10. Axel Otréus on January 14, 2022 at 12:02 am

    Who did people trust the word of a guy who makes electric cars regarding hydrogen cars? Bit silly

  11. Olaf Willocx on January 14, 2022 at 12:04 am

    Water is a greenhouse gas. The end-to-end process to produce and use hydrogen in a car is less efficient than the ratio of renewable to non renewable energy, so it’s worse for the environment than gas. Very arrogant title. The faster this dumbass concept dies, the better. The graph at 6:20 isn’t very accurate. The main sources of inefficiency in electric cars are the motor and inverter. In modern electric cars, motor efficiency is around 98% and inverter efficiency 97%. You should know this, you’re an engineer. 70-90% is delusional. The 25%-35% for hydrogen is reasonable. The stuff around 6:50 about electric cars needing more energy because they’re heavier is just wrong. Most energy when driving goes to aerodynamic friction, which has nothing to do with mass. Electric cars also have regenerate breaking so get almost all of the remaining energy back, making mass not an important factor even if it had a significant contribution. You literally say ‘MW of energy’ and you have an engineering degree, right after thinking force costs energy. What a disappointment. "Musk was wrong." -SomeoneThatThinksMWIsUnitOfEnergy How many more of this idiotic videos are tech youtubers going to make, I wonder. At least this one isn’t as bad as Physics Girl’s. That one was so full of bs and obviously Toyota sellout that she took it down and reuploaded it. I’m surprised this wasn’t sponsored by Toyota, the rest were. ‘Wait, you guys are getting paid?’ No LTT, they didn’t make those videos because they’re cool.

  12. Positive Dreams on January 14, 2022 at 12:04 am

    Hydrogen has gotten a lot of hate lately , but let’s debunk it. Should you buy a hydrogen Toyota? No. 😂 You guys are funny . 😜

  13. Joseph K. on January 14, 2022 at 12:04 am

    Trains > Cars

  14. KridOCaign on January 14, 2022 at 12:05 am

    Your efficiency numbers for hydrogen are off.
    Your 25% to 35% efficiency numbers are only accurate if you cut out all parts of the production chain besides electrolysis (Efficiency of ~75%), the fuel cell (Efficiency of <50%), and the powertrain (Efficiency of ~90%)
    If you then include the other losses you mentioned, efficiency drops further.
    You also didn’t include one rather critical flaw: Hydrogen leaks through solid materials, and causes something known as hydrogen embrittlement. The rate at which hydrogen escapes increases with pressure, and greatly reduces the lifespan of the storage and transportation equipment.
    There’s also the energy costs of preparing the water for electrolysis – failing to do so results in buildup on the anode and cathode that decreases efficiency, and the production of highly corrosive and toxic gasses like Chlorine, which would further decrease efficiency and damage equipment.

    All that factors into a total efficiency that is significantly lower than your estimate.

  15. Werner Voss on January 14, 2022 at 12:06 am

    Nice sponsor transition 👌

  16. Christopher Velasco on January 14, 2022 at 12:06 am

    What a great video. I knew nothing about hydrogen cars till now.

  17. J K on January 14, 2022 at 12:06 am

    charging electric vehicles at home is not something they should build on. most people dont have houses, let alone car ports or garages. this can be a cool extra but there need to be enough charging points everywhere for this concept to work. there is no alternative.

  18. Ivan Vazquez on January 14, 2022 at 12:07 am

    LTT is the best channel on YouTube, period.

  19. David Vargas on January 14, 2022 at 12:09 am

    10:45 song title, please? BTW awesome video. Alex you rock and tell Andy and Hoff they’re epic.

  20. Zoya Spencer on January 14, 2022 at 12:09 am

    Id rather get my opinion from an actual rocket scientist than a pc geek or a under paid trucker.

  21. Oscar Walczak on January 14, 2022 at 12:10 am

    Linus car tips

  22. ShadowRam242 on January 14, 2022 at 12:14 am

    Electrolysis isn’t preferred, it’s required. The smallest amount of Hydrogen Sulfide will destroy that Fuel Cell, and you didn’t talk about the ridiculous amount of extremely expensive low carbon Stainless Steel is needed in the entire process, and how hydrogen will react with just about everything. Hydrogen as a fuel will never be a thing. We would already be using it today, if it was viable, and no new technology (not even Fuel Cells) have come to fruition yet that will change that.

  23. Sidney Sloan on January 14, 2022 at 12:15 am

    Stunning video 😍😍😍
    Love the way you are going with you channel 🤘🏻

    Could you have a look on the car named "Nathalie" from Roland Gumpert? It basically turns Methanol into Hydrogen by heating it up. It’s a genius Idea from a former Audi engineer who was responsible for the first Audi Quattro (legendary ralley car).

  24. Travel vlog on January 14, 2022 at 12:17 am

    Hydrogen is complex, you can’t make it yourself, governments can control and tax it, isn’t that efficient, has to be stored and transported, needs to be made more environmental friendly,… Yes batteries have to and will become better and are always the logical solution in my opinion.

  25. Zoltán Szeles on January 14, 2022 at 12:17 am

    Using a hydrogen car costs multiple times more than using a BEV. The Mirai weight is around the weight of a Model 3 which have more space inside. Fuel cell lifetime not longer than battery lifetime. Fuel cell vehicle not cheaper then BEV. Battery technology improve faster then fuel cells. Using "electricity not needed" to create hydrogen makes no sense, because they could use batteries to store it, and use it for much more efficient and sensible things, when it’s needed…
    It requires big high pressure tanks. and if you want’t decent performance, you’ll also need batteries. (That’s why the Mirai not that powerful, because if you want better performance, they need bigger batteries) So not that much wheight advantage. And better have perfect o-rings at H2 stations and in the vehicles…
    For trucks: If you have to charge 30 minute, to get 400 miles of range on a Tesla Semi, and it takes 10 minutes for the same range for a hydrogen truck, thats 20 minutes advantage after 6 hours driving (if the driver don’t want to eat or go to the toilet, etc) for much-much bigger cost. It’s very appealing…

  26. Shredz on January 14, 2022 at 12:18 am

    Cool video! Although, I’m surprised there wasn’t a mention of storing hydrogen in the form of ammonia (NH3).

  27. Jaejgaren on January 14, 2022 at 12:18 am

    Water vapor is a greenhouse gas.

  28. ManWithBeard1990 on January 14, 2022 at 12:19 am

    Silly Alex with his segues. Doing your business means something else.

  29. Russell Barker on January 14, 2022 at 12:22 am

    Check the efficiency of the power grid, the grid losses a lot of power. The real winner will be conversion to battery at a sustained but lower rate and direct conversion only at high peak loads.

  30. Jason Nemeck on January 14, 2022 at 12:25 am

    Except electricity rates here in Texas are sky-high. I will stick with my gas powered Nissan. I don’t want an electric car. There’s NO WAY with these rates, driving would be less expensive than gasoline. Not yet. If it was cheaper, Exxon, Chevron and every other oil company would have electric charging stations at the gas stations. They don’t. Therefore they feel they won’t make enough money. Simple.

  31. hootsmin on January 14, 2022 at 12:28 am

    Hydrogen can be produced by photocatalytic water splitting using graf een ox ide.

  32. Br. Bill on January 14, 2022 at 12:28 am

    Well-balanced reporting. Excellent job.

    Batteries will gradually keep improving in weight, capacity, energy storage and lifespan. This will keep happening over a long period of time. In 50 years, it will be leaps and bounds better than it is now.
    Hydrogen propulsion is not too far away from its maximum efficiency already. It’s going to get swept away by the broom of history.

  33. Kevin Joyce on January 14, 2022 at 12:30 am

    There may be a place for H2 in shipping in the future. The infra for H2 will never be suitable for non-commercial cars. Nozzles freezing with high levels of use, entire refill stations exploding. H2 won’t ever realistically overcome those issues.

  34. Cem Ucan on January 14, 2022 at 12:30 am

    I read the title in Alex’s voice. Clicked. Yep, its Alex.

  35. MonsterSound on January 14, 2022 at 12:31 am

    Elon wasn’t wrong. You outlined H2 inefficiencies and then blew them off. WTH?

  36. Bartek on January 14, 2022 at 12:34 am

    Battery is heavy and that costs a lot od energy to carry around.

  37. Gearboy (Official) on January 14, 2022 at 12:36 am

    I did a whole college report on why hydrogen is a much more reasonable source of fuel for rural and long distance especially the fact you can convert every car on the road relatively easily. ICE engine still produce NOx through the combustion process but emission reduction imagine if we just knocked out 80+ % of emissions in an instant. Mining lithium and cobalt is very harmful. I believe we should have a 50/50 society where short range needs can be completed with small battery packs and long range distance or off grid/rural locations can run off hydrogen. Off road or trailing with battery packs and jet travel cannot be replaced by batteries.

    I am a car enthusiast and I will be sad when all my ICE cars become unusable or obsolete. I will be making my own hydrogen system if a universal upgrade kit does not becomes a thing. Theres something to be missed if v8’s and rotary and turbo cars just go away. Ill keep the ICE engines around even if it means green in my own way 🙂

  38. Spamstrina I on January 14, 2022 at 12:36 am

    Not counting the fact that electric cars produce several time more e-waste than hydrogen car will ever do. But we all already know that people will just keep sucking on Musk’s rod because he posts some le funny memes on Twitter and keep buying into his stupid "inventions" like the LOOP and no one will actually supports innovation and a real change in the use of renewable and clean energy.

  39. AB HU on January 14, 2022 at 12:36 am

    I can a future where normal cars are replaced by petrol cars and diesel trucks replaced with hydrogen trucks.

  40. Saka Mulia on January 14, 2022 at 12:38 am

    I think the lithium and other ion scarcities will drive the biofuels, hydrogen and other alternatives to larger market share. Vehicle companies will probably have at least one horse in every race soon. Which should meet global demands for fossil-fuel alternatives.

  41. cloudbear on January 14, 2022 at 12:40 am

    Alex is such a great host.

  42. Isaac Young on January 14, 2022 at 12:41 am

    I get it.. electric=new-unleaded and hydrogen =new-diesel

  43. John F on January 14, 2022 at 12:42 am

    The thing is your still using an electric motor… I understand storage is the problem but in order to get hdrogen you need to use electrolysis with water which requires a good amount of electricity then you need to ship that hydrogen to a fuel deposit which is more energy lost. While battery’s are the medium we have now to store an electric charge it won’t always be chemical lithium batteries into the future. storage of electricity can be converted easily and stored in many different ways lithium is just the most cost effective we have now. If hydrogen works that’s great but it’s a bomb, chemical batteries are an incendiary take your pick. If you want to see it explained better look up engineering explained he does most of the math in front of you.

  44. Victor Unbea on January 14, 2022 at 12:42 am

    Ah yis. Another "revolutionary" and "innovative" design. Just put them in the back with the rest of them.

  45. Fette Taube on January 14, 2022 at 12:43 am

    man, the new top gear looks great

  46. Tony Pepperoni on January 14, 2022 at 12:45 am

    tesla is the biggest con. the elites do not want you travelling far, batteries never keep their charge and will never be made lighter, and most people live in terraced houses in uk. imagine all those wonderful cables. and tesla elsectricity is 60% fossil fuels so theres that
    hydrogen should have been around years ago but they do need to sort out green hydrogen

  47. Benji Frater on January 14, 2022 at 12:46 am

    It takes a lot of energy and resources to create, chill, distribute and create fueling infrastructure for hydrogen vehicles. It will ultimately be used in a complicated vehicle with many moving parts. An electric vehicle can be charged anywhere and has none of those steps if you think about it. No brainer.

  48. justthisguyyouknow Youknow on January 14, 2022 at 12:48 am

    The Hindenburg’s hydrogen was burned up withing a few seconds; it was the highly flammable skin that you see burning and which did the most damage.

  49. Gryyphyn on January 14, 2022 at 12:48 am

    There’s too much importance being placed on racecar performance. Yes, 9+ seconds 0-60 feels bs slow but there’s no reason to have 2.2 seconds either. For entry to average highway or freeway speeds 5-6 seconds is more than sufficient and you keep from wasting joules out of your battery. For a vehicle intended to be used for average commute on surface streets 9 or so seconds may not be buckets of fun but it’s more than reasonable.

  50. tomato on January 14, 2022 at 12:50 am

    lol i thought this was a donut media video

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